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and who was the nitwit that said Kerry wasn't a flip-flopper


Life begins at conception, Kerry says

By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff | July 5, 2004

INDEPENDENCE, Iowa -- Amid a three-day bus tour in which he highlighted his values and cast himself as an acceptable alternative for conservative voters, John F. Kerry was quoted yesterday as saying he believes life begins at conception, but continues to favor abortion rights.

The Roman Catholic Church, of which Kerry is a member, teaches that life begins at conception, and thus abortion should be opposed. Kerry's refusal to adhere to the latter portion of the teachings has prompted some conservative prelates to declare they would deny him Communion. Yesterday, President Bush's reelection committee cast Kerry's most recent comments as an attempt to appease critics at a time when he is trying to broaden his support among moderate and Independent voters.

''Vatican II is very clear. There is something called freedom of conscience in the Catholic Church," Kerry told the Telegraph Herald of Dubuque in a story in its Sunday editions. ''I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception. But I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist . . . who doesn't share it. We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

While Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, has previously mentioned his personal discomfort with abortion, a database search of newspaper stories failed to find any previous reference to him saying that he believed life began at conception. A campaign spokeswoman said she also was unaware of him making the comment previously.

It is that belief among conservatives both in and out of his church that leads them to oppose not only abortion, but also stem cell research -- which Kerry has said he favors and which Bush supports only in a limited fashion.

''John Kerry's ridiculous claim to hold 'conservative values,' and his willingness to change his beliefs to fit his audience, betrays a startling lack of conviction on important issues like abortion that will make it difficult for voters to give him their trust," said Bush-Cheney spokesman Steve Schmidt.

Meanwhile, Kerry campaigned side-by-side yesterday with Tom Vilsack, although neither he nor the Iowa governor acknowledged speculation that Kerry may tap Vilsack to be his running mate.

The two marched in a parade in Cascade, played baseball at the ''Field of Dreams" ballpark, and then indulged in a Fourth of July barbecue here, yet Vilsack refused comment on the vice presidential speculation, while Kerry similarly refused to speak about a process he has labeled personal and private.

One report sent a buzz through the caravan that carried him across the Midwest since Friday. The ABC News online political newsletter ''The Note" reported that Kerry held a late-night meeting last Thursday at the Washington home of former secretary of state Madeleine K. Albright and that the person he favors for his running mate attended. The newsletter said that in checking the schedule of Kerry's prospective running mates, only Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri was in town.

The campaign appears poised to make the announcement tomorrow morning in Pittsburgh, where Kerry's staff has taken the exceptional step of asking television crews if they want to arrange live broadcasts from what is being depicted on the schedule as a routine political rally.
 

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As mentioned previously by a poster.

This would be pro-choice, not pro-abortion.

I don't 'like' it, and neither I suspect do many other pro-choice advocates.

The other side are anti-choice.

Its a unique conumdrum, directly affecting 50% of the population and their right to choose.

(I'm guessing that its probaly political suicide to ban abortion now anyway.)
 

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I'm VERY anti-abortion FWIW. You'd be surprised how conservative I am, much unlike the genocidal liar Bush.
 

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The fact that Kerry can have personal feelings about an issue but take a policy stand that is not necessarily in line with these feelings, is what you need in a leader. Kerry is upholding the current laws in your nation by taking the position of pro-choice.

The next time Bush gets up and tells you that god is talking to him in his sleep, chanting Iran, Iran, Iran, remind him that there are rules, such as the separation of Church and State, and that his personal convictions in this matter need to take a back seat.
 

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How come you didn't answer my other question?
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i agree with you but he has actually fought for abortion rights so you don't know how strongly he feels about it.I think thats one issue you can be for it,and still be against it.It is the law regardless.
 

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When are the so called " Pro Lifers" going to understand that you can be against abortion, but you also believe in a person making there " OWN DECISION".
Almost all these pro lifers can NEVER understand that concept. A individual has there right to choose what goes on in there own body. I, might not agree with there decision, but I can respect it.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN BE AGAINST ABORTION, AND BE PRO CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kerry left out one part.....

Life begins at conception, welfare begins at birth.

Yes, welfare begins at birth. To those who decide to keep the kid along with the other four or five and soak the American taxpayer for welfare and food stamps and all the other handouts that go along with that territory.

To all those pro-lifers that stand in front of abortion clinics trying to persuade pregnant women to keep thier child, offering pleas of "we can help"....."we can help".....only to turn around after she's given birth, to say "I need to go home and pay my cable bill and take care of my own family. That child is YOURS, and your responsibility.".....

Yes, that is the attitude you have, and I thank you for it. Thank you for your honesty and your generosity that turn into hollow statements after childbirth. Thank you for a higher tax burden, thank you for aids babies that will just die a miserable death.....thank you for crack babies and the next generation of welfare recipients.....thank you...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marco:
Yes, that is the attitude you have, and I thank you for it. Thank you for your honesty and your generosity that turn into hollow statements after childbirth. Thank you for a higher tax burden, thank you for aids babies that will just die a miserable death.....thank you for crack babies and the next generation of welfare recipients.....thank you...
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I see Marco...so in your opinion the next generation of welfare recipients and crack babies should be aborted so we don't have to pay for their food stamps.

Makes sense to me.
 

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Yes Shotgun....history has shown this scenario to play out in repetition.....welfare recipients breed more of the same and the cycle continues....

Pay for welfare yourself if you like it so much....find a way to have the prolifers pay welfare by themselves and you will see how few of them there will be left.
 

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Great article by Pat Buchanan on Kerry's life begins at conception.

"Remarkable. If Kerry believes life begins at conception, he must concede that each time he has voted to fund abortions, he has voted to fund the killing of human beings. And voting to uphold Clinton's veto of the partial-birth abortion ban, Kerry voted against sparing tiny human beings from an excruciating form of execution.

How does John Kerry reconcile this?

"I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," says Kerry.

But Kerry is not being asked to vote to force Jews or atheists to attend church on Sunday or recite the Apostles' Creed. He is only being asked to vote "no" to the spending of tax dollars to finance the destruction of what he himself says is human life.

Kerry protests that he does not want to impose his religious beliefs on nonbelievers. Yet, legislators have voted to outlaw prostitution, to punish those who use and/or sell drugs, and to ban child pornography. Each time they voted to criminalize such conduct, they sought to impose their moral beliefs upon dissenters.

Civil-rights laws do the same thing. When John Kerry votes to outlaw discrimination against blacks, women and gays, he votes to impose his idea of what is right behavior on those who think they should be free not to serve, not to rent to and not to hire people they don't want to serve, rent to or hire.

But with abortion, we are not talking about black folks being insulted by not being served at Denny's. If Kerry is right, we are talking about killing.

And if Kerry is truly "personally opposed to abortion," why does he not declare this strong personal belief from the podium at the feminist rallies to which he is invited? Why does he not speak up and say: "While I cannot stop abortion, you can. You should stop destroying human life." That would be moral courage – and the end of Kerry in a Democratic Party in which abortion is fast becoming a sacrament.
 

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I've never understood this life begins at conception idea since the conceptus is derived from the fusion of two already living entities.
 

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